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victor
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14/06/2018 : 16:45:14      reply with quote


There is a rumour going around that the enabling road will have an effect on the access and egress to the new school. Well it might have in three or four years time when the new houses are built and the school expands to 1000 pupils. The access will be from Hawber cote lane and the exit will be Middleway, this is how it will be no ifs or buts. Also just for those who don't read plans the enabling road starts approx. 200 m above Brow Bank lane.
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14/06/2018 : 18:09:17      reply with quote


Victor you are soooo right, the only reason for this application is to gain access to Banklands so they can build lots and lots of houses.

18/02201/MAF | Proposed enabling road to serve the proposed new school and residential development | Land East Of Bolton Road Silsden West Yorkshire



This is the proposed route for "enabling" access to the new school, it will also open up the land for the building of about 500 houses on Banklands.

For more information on the proposals:

Use this link
planning.bradford.gov.uk/online-applications/

...and on the page search for planning application number
18/02201/MAF


JUST A THOUGHT


The Transport Statement
This is a very late entry tacked onto the school project to give access to the school, I haven't been able to find anything which says when it will be completed but it's main purpose is to open the land (Banklands) for housing. This is confirmed by the Flood Risk Assessment document which is all about housing and doesn't mention the road.

The Road comes in two parts - phase 1 which gives access to the school from Bolton Road, and phase 2 which extends the road to Hawber Lane. In phase 2 the junction at Bolton Road is changed in favour of traffic from the Addingham direction and Bolton Road from the Silsden direction becomes a junction ie this will be part of the bypass route? At the other end of the road, at Hawber Lane, there is no detail of the junction or anything about the bypass potential. It's only purpose at the moment can be to take the housing traffic which will come from the 50 houses they want to build at Drabble Farm.

There are a lot of trees with Tree protection Orders (TPO) which will have to be felled to make this road happen. There is an assessment of the tree conditions but NO PLAN to replace these mature trees which give homes to much wildlife.

The Flood Risk Assessment Document
This is a very interesting document and gives a good understanding of the phasing of the houses they want to build on Banklands. This document has nothing to do with the road but it can be used to come to the conclusion there will be a surface water and groundwater disposal problem, which is not address in the planning application for the road.
A review of the Soilscapes website indicated that the superficial deposits are ‘slowly permeable seasonally wet acid loamy and clayey soils’. Drainage is classified as ‘impeded’, therefore it is likely that the ground water levels will be high.

Any soakaway or infiltration drainage would therefore be inappropriate for the development site. As groundwater levels are anticipated to be high the infiltration system could become surcharged and ineffective. As the site falls from north east to south west, ground water could potentially remerge further down the slope.

It is anticipated that soakaways are unsuitable; however a full ground investigation will determine the infiltration rates and seasonal variability of the groundwater level at the proposed development site, thus determining the suitability for infiltration drainage.

This application is supposed to be about the "enabling" road for the school but it's more about opening the land for housing and the fact that it seems to be being rushed through makes me suspicious. I'm not sure STC have enough information provided by planning to comment on this application at this time.

PS This application does not provide enough information on what it's really about. However, it can only be to provide building access to the school grounds and to Banklands housing phase one. With the road, probably just hardcore, in place it would allow plant onto the site for development. There is no replacement planting of the mature tree which will need to be removed. There is no surface drainage plans or what access there would be to the footpaths - the road will cut at least 2 footpaths off.








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Peter
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14/06/2018 : 18:24:22      reply with quote


PS

The road bisects several footpaths (at least 3) - these are not mentioned and there are no plans within the application to say what would be done to maintain the right of way.


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midway
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14/06/2018 : 21:18:06      reply with quote


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" there is no detail of the junction or anything about the bypass potential. It's only purpose at the moment can be to take the housing traffic which will come from the 50 houses they want to build at Drabble Farm." so where has the 50 houses proposal come from Peter?
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14/06/2018 : 21:42:57      reply with quote


Are they really serious!? Have any of these "planners" ever actually visited Silsden!? You would think not what with the ridiculous plans they keep coming up with! A by-pass is many years away, if ever. More houses and a new school is not. The school is going to be a round peg in a square hole but if both are going to happen, which they are, sort out the access. They cant be serious about using Hawber Lane to take traffic into a new housing estate. Build a properly designed access road from above the allotments before Tannery corner as the access road to the new school, and have it paid for by the developer who uses the adjoining land for housing.
No school until this is sorted first.
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Peter
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14/06/2018 : 21:45:35      reply with quote


Phase 2 of the road opens the land up to Drabble Farm that want to build 50 houses, it's all in the flood document on the portal (a document well worth the read)

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14/06/2018 : 22:02:03      reply with quote


My house will be on the market when it happens. This town isn't going to be a nice place to live soon, all houses and no countryside.
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Corky Yorky
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14/06/2018 : 22:19:05      reply with quote


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posted by victor
There is a rumour going around that the enabling road will have an effect on the access and egress to the new school. Well it might have in three or four years time when the new houses are built and the school expands to 1000 pupils.

Then it’s not really a rumour then is it Victor..of course it won’t have an effect until anythings built!.
Where is the application for houses that it would serve? Non existent at the moment!

Like i have always said it’s only purpose was to strengthen the case for the school.
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15/06/2018 : 08:33:04      reply with quote


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Phase 2 of the road opens the land up to Drabble Farm that want to build 50 houses, it's all in the flood document on the portal (a document well worth the read)


can you show us exactly where? i've read this document, searched on the terms Drabble & '50' and can find no reference to any house build numbers anywhere in the document
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15/06/2018 : 08:55:56      reply with quote


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come on everybody its called progress more people are living longer and population going up all the time,where ever the school would of been built it would of caused upset,some people have campaigned for our own upper school for years,there is a good plot behind west and east dene,entry up hillcrest and housing is being built all over england in small villages and towns,so is this just nimby talk??
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victor
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15/06/2018 : 10:42:22      reply with quote


Corky the planning application says proposed enabling road to serve the new school and residential development. Therefore no housing no road. People where saying that the enabling road would start just above the allotments and that the Middleway exit would not be needed, this is why I have tried to make it clear that this was not going to happen. Also the enabling road enters the school in the North West corner of the site, therefore the only route it could take would be along the Northern perimeter then going South to join the road through the school, more traffic for Middleway. Why have more cars in the school grounds, why have an enabling road when a footpath would do, why do children have to be dropped off at the door.
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Peter
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15/06/2018 : 12:18:02      reply with quote



can you show us exactly where? i've read this document, searched on the terms Drabble & '50' and can find no reference to any house build numbers anywhere in the document
Sorry it's not there, but it is a very, very strong rumor from another source.

At least these houses will be a small scale development and might be of a better standard than the rest which will be Barratt / David Wilson Homes.

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Corky Yorky
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15/06/2018 : 12:22:15      reply with quote


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Corky the planning application says proposed enabling road to serve the new school and residential development. Therefore no housing no road.
Victor..exactly my point..so wheres the housing application? That should have come first or with the enabling rd application wouldn’t you think so? In my eyes this application cannot be determined on it’s own merits..so it has to have either a housing development application or/and have some other reason to be submitted two days before the school application was decided!

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People where saying that the enabling road would start just above the allotments and that the Middleway exit would not be needed, this is why I have tried to make it clear that this was not going to happen.
Oh..never heard anyone think or say that myself..though i think it would be preferable!

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Also the enabling road enters the school in the North West corner of the site, therefore the only route it could take would be along the Northern perimeter then going South to join the road through the school, more traffic for Middleway. Why have more cars in the school grounds, why have an enabling road when a footpath would do, why do children have to be dropped off at the door.
Victor that’s why in my previous postings i have always said that the only way it could work is to either allow traffic out of the school only (another one-way) or only for in/out for staff, thus freeing up a little bit of traffic entering the one way system! That would be the obvious reason to me! As you state their is more reasons to have a footpath to the ‘intended’ housing estate!!!!!!!
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midway
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15/06/2018 : 18:32:48      reply with quote


one here from the archives. www.bit.ly/2sV2SDC
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victor
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15/06/2018 : 19:44:48      reply with quote


Thank you Middy.
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midway
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15/06/2018 : 21:03:05      reply with quote


Could be we have been given some misleading information, I've had it confirmed there is defiantly not going to be 50 houses built at Drabble house.
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Peter
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15/06/2018 : 21:21:20      reply with quote


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Could be we have been given some misleading information, I've had it confirmed there is defiantly not going to be 50 houses built at Drabble house.
So this is why they went to the expense of connecting up a sewer pipe which would be suitable for a 50 house estate when they obtained planning permission to convert the barns?

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midway
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16/06/2018 : 06:48:39      reply with quote


A bit of a tenuous assumption is that one Peter, let me reiterate,there are no plans/intentions to build 50 houses at Drabble house.
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midway
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16/06/2018 : 17:47:00      reply with quote


And the comments/objections from STC

"Silsden Parish Town Council
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Objections in the strongest possible terms. This application is totally unacceptable in its present
state. STC agree with the comments made regarding the trees by Bradford Council. The
application is called an enabling road to the school so how can it be looked at in isolation its
impact on the school design needs to be taken into account as its believed it as it stands would
cause major amendments to the proposal school application. As this is already linked to another
application [ school ] we question why it is not also linked to an already approved plan for houses
on Bolton \Road as the requirement of that permission includes a bus shelter right next to the
proposed junction which will significantly alter the sight lines suggested. If Bradford are of a mind
to approve this then we request that a full public meeting takes places with those representing
highways and planning, if officers are unable to discuss this, PRIOR to approval as this application
will cause a major change to the environs and character of Silsden".
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midway
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18/06/2018 : 19:56:02      reply with quote


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Corky Yorky
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19/06/2018 : 08:08:01      reply with quote


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ote]Interesting that the date drawn for this is exactly 1 week prior to it’s submission. It would be normal that you do a scoping/feasibility study/report. Then put together preliminary plans, such as this, then you would get all the rest of the supporting documents relevant to the application; These could take a while, quite a few weeks or months, depending on planning requirements. It appears to have been drawn up quickly and submitted very quickly for a ‘purpose’!
Clearly not a lot of thought has been put into it.
Is it that it’s intention is to ‘ride on the back of the school application’ or as i think.. to support the school getting planning application!

Is the intention for houses to be built on the other side of Hawber Cote Lane?
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midway
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19/06/2018 : 13:15:52      reply with quote


Well yes, the whole site from the school boundary past Hawber cote lane onto Brown bank lane,and across then joins the previous 62 housing development on the left in Bolton road. Mr Geoff Mountain has been very busy.
14/05170/MAO | Residential development for up to 62 dwellings | Land At Bolton Road Silsden West Yorkshire
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