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Peter
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17/10/2017 : 10:30:59      reply with quote


Outlying communities need more help saving under-threat facilities, Tories on Bradford Council warn.

Halls in Denholme, Harden, Oakworth, Baildon, Menston, Burley-in-Wharfedale and Silsden are being hit by Bradford Council cuts.

The authority aims to hand ownership of the buildings over to community groups, but Council leader Susan Hinchcliffe had given a stark warning that if no-one came forward, “they will close”.

The article in the T & A

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/local/airelocal/15597332.Outlying_communities_need_more_help_saving_under_threat_facilities__Tories_warn/
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17/10/2017 : 19:34:46      reply with quote


Andrew Mallinson, Adrian Naylor and Richard Rickard need to step up to the plate to ensure that those groups that have expressed an interest in running the Town Hall have every last bit of relevant information made available to enable them to make a fully considered decision. All options should be examined and any options not as yet explored or considered need to be promoted.

Make no mistake - the department looking after these town halls will close in April, and if things are not in place beforehand, these facilities will close.
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17/10/2017 : 21:07:21      reply with quote


Been looking into this Asset Transfer arrangement, if and when it is completed, the Town Hall still remains in the ownership of Brad met, they lease it to who ever.
THE LIST. and progress so far.
www.bradford.gov.uk/media/3401/community-asset-transfer-register.pdf
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18/10/2017 : 07:24:20      reply with quote


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Andrew Mallinson, Adrian Naylor and Richard Rickard need to step up to the plate

I know Adrian spoke at the meeting last night.Were the two jokers there?
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midway
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18/10/2017 : 09:24:59      reply with quote


The meeting
www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/15603138.Council_chiefs_told_to___39_take_hands_off_windpipe_of_local_communities__39__during_debate_on_halls__39__futures/?ref=fbshr
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18/10/2017 : 09:39:55      reply with quote


Perhaps Bradford Labour think we will all go to a Bradford swimming pool to hold our community events?

I suppose they have to look after their own and their seats in Bradford Central.
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18/10/2017 : 09:55:26      reply with quote


He (Cllr Cooke) put forward a motion calling on the authority to scrap plans for one of two new swimming pools planned for the city, and instead use the cash to fund work on these community buildings, as well as the existing Bingley and Queensbury pools, which will be handed over to community groups or closed under current plans.

But the Conservatives’ motion was defeated at the vote and a Labour motion, highlighting “millions of pounds” of investment in buildings like Shipley and Keighley libraries, Shipley Pool, Cliffe Castle and Keighley Market, was passed instead.

The halls which the council will no longer support from April are Burley Queens Hall, Harden Memorial Hall, Baildon’s Ian Clough Hall, Denholme Mechanics’ Institute, Holden Hall in Oakworth, Kirklands Community Centre in Menston and Silsden Town Hall.
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18/10/2017 : 19:27:33      reply with quote


Let's be honest about the way that the local authority are having to manage finances. The loss of these town halls and the numerous other facilities and services across the whole of Bradford, along with the thousands of council jobs that have been lost, is as a direct result of the reduction in the Conservative Government's central funding for the local authority.
Want to point the finger at the source, look in the right place.

There will always be opinions that certain facilities or resources should take precedence over others. My main gripe here is that the departments responsible for looking at handing responsibility over to volunteer organisations should leave no stone unturned to try and make it happen. The local councillors should be the catalyst to drive things forward. The only one who has any passion and interest is Adrian Naylor. The conservative members are conspicuous in their absence in Silsden.
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18/10/2017 : 19:35:47      reply with quote


well bfd council av to get the money somewhere to waste on building useless fountains in the middle of bfd.maybe they are there so the poor bradfordtonians can get a shower 'laugh :D');
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18/10/2017 : 21:55:01      reply with quote


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Let's be honest about the way that the local authority are having to manage finances. The loss of these town halls and the numerous other facilities and services across the whole of Bradford, along with the thousands of council jobs that have been lost, is as a direct result of the reduction in the Conservative Government's central funding for the local authority.
Want to point the finger at the source, look in the right place.


Sorry but Bradford have x number of pounds to spend which is not in dispute.But that money should be spent carefully and fairly across the whole district.Not spending in outlying towns and blaming the amount is wrong.Makes a mockery of for the many not the few when they spend the money on just a few.
You could argue that because we pay more in Council Tax per head of population we should get the lions share!!
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18/10/2017 : 23:01:24      reply with quote


Sorry Gazzer I have to disagree. I can't see how you can argue that the authority should spend the money in areas where the population pays the most. If you haven't noticed we have a welfare state whereby governments both national and local have a responsibility to support the most vulnerable in society. The money should be spent where it is needed the most. You may not be happy to support people less fortunate than yourself through taxation but I am.
I am sure that the poorest areas that come under the control of Bradford have probably lost more in services and local authority support than the outlying areas have.If you are so convinced that this isn't the case, and that things are so much better in the town centre, or any other part of the district, you are free to go and live there.

You seem to have missed the main point of the argument which is the eventual closure of the town hall if an agreement cannot be reached with the volunteer groups. All our councillors need to be involved to progress the discussions.
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19/10/2017 : 15:56:04      reply with quote


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Sorry Gazzer I have to disagree.
Im not saying you should spend the money here but you could argue that you should.If we lose all our civic projects here then our area will become rundown.There is no argument for the council not spending the resources broadly equally around the district mainly on political grounds..ie Labour Council spending more in areas with Labour Councillors.The amount of extra council tax from new houses in Silsden, that we have no say about, would easily fund the last civic building in Silsden as im sure you agree.Or would you rather see another swimming pool in Bradford with that same money?.
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19/10/2017 : 17:27:03      reply with quote


I don't think Bradford has any morals when it comes to supporting a community, and they have no intention of making it easy for the community to take over the asset which is the Silsden Town Hall.

They would rather sell us down the river, it is the easy option to sell the asset to the highest bidder and for a developer to convert it into flats. The building has not long been refurbished yet they say there is a backlog of maintenance, and it's losing money despite the heroic efforts by "the Friends of Silsden Town Hall"

A year ago the loss was supposed to be £5K per year an then at a public meeting in the Town Hall the figure was quoted as being £10K. At the Sept STC Council Meeting "The Friends" asked for:

To consider the 3 requests for finance from Friends of Silsden Town Hall
a] An annual amount ring-fenced from the precept start April 18 for £30,702.
b] A one off start up grant of £20,000.
c] To release the £25000 police monies for a police stop shop

IE The figure for the loss per year seems to have been inflated to £30K - where will it stop?

It can't be that difficult to workout how much it costs to run the hall and the income generated. Do wee have to pay for the inflated maintenance costs?

Don't forget the cost of the Town Hall refurbishment was (partially) paid for by the sell off of Wesley Place and the old library - a building we tried to take over with an asset transfer. This would have made a purpose build community hall and rooms BUT Bradford had no intention of transferring the asset - it was easier to sell it for housing.

Read about that project failure here
thewesleyplaceproject.silsden.net/the-project/a-meeting-with-bradford

Silsden Town Hall asset transfer could end up costing Silsden dear.

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